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At CBE conference in Denver workshop leader Sally Morgenthaler told of asking a group of women D.Min. students "Are you a woman who happens to be a leader, or a leader who happens to be a woman?" She was surprised to learn that, to a person, each self-identified as a woman who happens to be a leader.

There are clearly questions of identity here which seem to interest women more than men. I've never heard of asking male clergy "Are you a man who happens to be a leader or a leader who happens to be a man?"